I've got a podcast, I got links to all my social media and everything there if you want to follow me. Practice makes perfect. I don't remember because this was, like 2012 or 2013 ish. Chris Misterek 20:15 And, and I think it comes down to, to understanding the relationship between you and the client and having respect for yourself, you know, to understand that when somebody is reaching out to you, they're there. Plus, you have to show up so much in front of people that I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it's like a whole other industry to have to master on top of running your web design business. I had to get not only my pricing, right, but also my work-life balance, which kind of doesn't happen but trying to like pull that into alignment too because I mean 20 plus websites a year as a lot for one person. So that has worked out extremely well. Working more than 10 hours a day is associated with a 60 percent jump in risk of cardiovascular issues. And you need to get clients at gives you billable work. So when I mean talking about like a niche, I don't mean you're going to help doctors, nutritionist, I mean you're going to help some group of people that has a problem so it's more something like course creators or small business like small businesses that you know need to get local clients and right. Chris Misterek 16:12 And I was living in Indiana at the time, where the cost of living is much lower than where I live now. Powers slashed his working hours from over 50 a week to just 20, limited to Tuesdays and Wednesdays, with a five-day weekend. You get more no's than you get any yeses. And what decision fatigue is, is like, throughout the day, you have to make different decisions like all day long. Like, what would it What did that process look like for self-discovery? For one person, an hour commute may be easy, for another, it will be a terrible burden. And so if you acquiesce, then that communicates to them. Chris Misterek 7:14 And so when you leverage that time, into your best work into your billable work into what's going to move you forward, you don't have to hustle constantly because you're putting all of your efforts on what matters in your best time, which means you can get something done in four hours that might otherwise take you eight or 12 because you are using that time productively. 10 percent of those working 50 to 60 hours … I work nine to five, so I get to spend a good amount of quality time with my son and take my time for his bedtime routine. And on the pricing note, the lower your prices, the more you can micromanage and treat it as like a pixel pusher or an employee, versus charging those premium prices where somebody comes to you and says, This is worth X amount, they must know what they're doing. It varies depending on deadlines and workload, but 20 hours wouldn't be enough - there's much more work to do than the contact hours. Because I was working a shorter amount of time, I perceived myself as less productive, and I became unnecessarily hard on myself because of it — even though I was spending a ton of energy and focus on what I had to get done, and I was accomplishing about the same amount of work. Give us a holler back at your boy, whatever you want to do. It's almost like a psychological thing. So if I need a course creator, when I'm doing copy for, and she needs some website help, I can send her to Erin, right? And I presented them with what I think is the best answer to their problem. 365 Bloor Street East, Toronto, Ontario, M4W 3L4. But when that hustle becomes your day today, it's no longer hustle. It went against everything I knew about productivity; I had always assumed that working longer hours gave you more time to accomplish everything you need to get done. I can't keep it a secret from you. I would rather make a good reasonable comfortable amount of money, but I have the free time to go do what I want. So the best thing you can do is try to reset your brain through going through a walk, taking a shower, how many great ideas do you get in the shower like, like, that's where you know, your brain starts working. I am 23 years old. Before I started my project, when I reflected on how productive I was at the end of each day and each week I usually made a critical mistake: I looked at how busy I was instead of how much I accomplished. And I don't remember if it was specifically for marketing your business or if it was just like, make connections. Your email address will not be published. But often even in the short term, working longer hours can decrease your productivity. Consider a worker who work 35 hours per week, 4 vacation weeks and 5 public holidays (for a total of 5 weeks of vacation). And it sounds like that wasn't the case for you either. Chris Misterek 5:27 Intriguingly, several studies suggest that it does. I'm like, this has nothing to do with what you hired me for six months ago, why are you calling me? Ferriss argues that the defining feature separating the New Rich from what he refers to as the ‘deferrers’ (i.e., those… Because they haven't yet had to think about all of those things or get distracted by social media or email or things like that. Like when you're first getting started, there's a lot to do. Removing one day resulted in eight-hour shifts for five days a week—what we now know as the 40-hour workweek. Erin Flynn 31:58 It's because you've shown up week in, week out to listen to me and listen to the awesome guests that I have. That's the most important thing to me. Working hours: benefits rules - Which benefits are affected by hours worked? Okay, five hours on a busy day. They suggest that optimal number is roughly 35 to 40 hours. Erin, thank you so much for being with us. So it does get easier and you can spend less And less time doing it, especially as you get known and you get referrals. What that's done for you and your business. Chris Misterek 0:24 Well, now it looks like none. And with developers too, because when people say they want a website, they want to tell you what the website should be, you're just the technical person putting it together, right? So I set those in my first year of business. And you can only fight so much, right? Because I'm sure a lot of people are listening and going, man, I don't even know where to start. But still, like that's a lot of websites when you are looking at $500 per website. Beyond a certain point, you simply begin to do more busywork than important or meaningful work. Workaholics may question whether spending so much time in the office is really worth it: those working 55 or more hours a week are 33% more likely to suffer a stroke, research suggests. Another study found that your productivity “falls off a cliff after 55 hours — so much so that someone who puts in 70 hours produces nothing more with those extra 15 hours.”. Sounds great. But, despite the fact that she doesn’t even come close to the traditional 40 hours per week of an average employee she is still making over six figures as a freelance web designer. Welcome to another episode of this self-made web designer podcast. And now I do essentially no marketing. And then pieces kind of fell into place and it just made the most sense in that season of your life. We encountered an issue signing you up. So happy to have Erin Flynn with us today. They might you know, just have a different view of what that is. This is more than I would prefer. Even though I wasn’t spending my attention or energy wisely, I sure as hell felt productive. You're not been figuring out how Facebook works. Erin Flynn 8:04 I work 40 hours a week in a corporate office, 9-5:30. You can do it in a way that is sustainable, and that you don't have to break your back doing so. Were there any people who are like if I can't call you at any hours of the night, then I don't want your client? Excerpted from The Productivity Project: Accomplishing More by Managing Your Time, Attention, and Energy Better by Chris Bailey. Erin Flynn 0:00 I settled into a nice equilibrium of working 46-hours a week, which was enough time for me to get everything done, while taking needed breaks to recharge my energy levels and attention over the course of the day. The second invaluable lesson I discovered from the experiment was that even though on paper I accomplished about the same in both long and short weeks, I felt twice as productive working longer hours. I don't. But you've got to be consistent with whatever marketing that you're doing. You know, give us a woohoo, give us a holler. Ford’s employees had been working 48 hours a week: eight-hour days and six-day weeks. But your productivity also becomes shot when you work for too long. Can you tell us one more time how somebody might get connected with you? In the short term, there are huge productivity gains to be had by working extra hours, particularly when deadlines are fast approaching. Okay, great. Chris Misterek 21:41 While I’m on a “being open and honest with you” roll, I’ve got more to reveal: … And I know how annoying it is when we've got like Stacey from high school being like hey, do you want lip gloss or leggings or whatever all over Facebook right? I mean, they're your focus in business all the time, because there are things that don't go away, you have to keep doing them. If limiting how much time you spend on a task lets you get it done more efficiently, does the same rule apply to working fewer hours in general? So tell me a little bit about that transformation process and what you found as far as setting good boundaries in your life. This includes all types of working arrangements, from part-time and full-time to contract and side gigs. So I sold my first web site at around 17 in 2003ish. And that's what they truly want. And I do want to disclaim that if I'm launching a new program, or I've got you to know, a client that's launching something sometimes like those days are longer 100%. So I think that it's important to understand that when you Set those boundaries, you are treated better by your clients. So we have to toot our own horn a little bit more and say I offer websites for course creators or I can help local businesses get more traffic in the door right? So again, if you don't have if you're not booked out if you don't know where your next client is coming from marketing has got to be part of your every single day. Chris Misterek 34:57 But studies show that after roughly 35 or 40 hours, your productivity begins to plummet. And yeah, it's a job sometimes you're not always super thrilled that happens. But when you're first getting started, it's so scary to think, 'What if I lose this client' or 'what if they give me a bad review', you know, but I feel like what you're promoting is so important for people to understand that it helps you more than it hurts you. Can you talk a little bit about what you found has been the most successful way to market for your own business and how that's changed, maybe throughout different seasons? And so here's the thing, if anybody's listening and they're like, Oh, I have you know, these needy clients, I have all of the scope creeps. And so how do you define success or how would you encourage somebody to look at What a successful season of web design would look like for them. I mean, okay, so that one job was horrible. Part Time Team* works up to 20 hours per week and 3-4 shifts per week. i work 20 hrs a week did look in to working a extra hr a day with havin to pay more rent ct etc, in the end i was less that a fiver a week better off with all things taken into account, the system so wrong u should be better off the more hours u do not a £1 a day i will work part time untill it all changes 29 August 2011 at 3:06PM But when I had a limited amount of time in my 20-hour weeks, I forced myself to expend significantly more energy and focus over that shorter period of time so I could get everything done I had to do. And there weren't a whole lot of jobs out there. Chris Misterek 18:32 When your to-do list is always longer then the number of hours you have in the day, you might feel guilty if you began working 40 hours a week, especially if the people around you continued to work 50, 60, or even more. Appreciate it. But the lesson is just as potent: by controlling how much time you spend on a task, you control how much energy and attention you spend on it. Introducing 5 FP Newsletters: Energy, Economy, Investor, Work and Finance, Financial Post: Introducing 5 Newsletters, Chris Bailey: Slacker success: Why working 20 hours a week is more effective than 90, tap here to see other videos from our team. Now, of course, you should know what you're doing and when you're brand new, maybe adults, right? Erin Flynn 26:12 You need to make money in your business. I said this is it. Enter your name and email address below and I'll send you periodic updates about the podcast. When you have more work to do than you have time to do it in, it’s easy to trick yourself into thinking you have only two options: keep working a standard workweek and fall behind, or begin putting in more hours to get everything done. Last week, 15,000 workers (who manufacture car parts for firms such as Porsche) called a strike, demanding a 28-hour work week with unchanged pay and conditions. And so for other people that might look different for me, they might not ski you know, in the mornings, they might spend time with their kids. So even though you may not know the exact marketing right now that's going to get you the best results. I'll just call her whenever cuz I don't know. So if you want to do social media, don't be discouraged by it. So tell me about how long it took from you having to hone in on marketing to now being at a place to where you're, you're turning clients away. If they're not local, so let's just connect, you don't have to go into this with we have to refer clients to each other. Since 2016, Amazon.com has been using a 30-hour workweek for some groups. 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